The reactionary tax code

Spandrell

What are we all doing here? By 'here', I mean the internet, by 'we', I mean the sort of person who very kindly reads this blog of mine regularly and/or writes similar stuff in blogs or Twitter or whatever.

My original goal was to understand what is leftism, why leftist people exist and why our societies are decaying by enabling leftism to dominate all the levers of power. After years of writing, years of reading, and years of talking with like-minded gentlemen over the internet, I think I've succeeded at that task. You can read some examples of it in the sidebar as "best posts".

I've also been meeting some readers in person over the last few years, and they all agree that the "analysis phase" of this little movement we've come to call neoreaction is done. Moldbug started the whole thing, asked the right questions, showed how everything we thought we knew was wrong, then he left to build interesting stuff. Nick Land asked another set of right questions, found out nobody dared answer them, and then he left to write horror fiction. I here have done my little part on finishing what I considered was most important: an analysis of the history and the psychology of leftism.

Well, that's done, we know leftists are sociopathic status maximizers who seek groups of people who, for contingent or increasingly genetic reasons, have low status, and thus a great incentive to disturb the political process and create chaos in society. They have much to gain, little to lose, and thus are ideal employees with an incentive to keep loyal. Ok we know that one. Now what? What do we do? We should do something.

Well, I'm not the first one to be asked that. Moldbug was asked that. What did he say? Become worthy. Funnily it seems he took that from the Chinese concept of the "Mandate of Heaven", i.e. the post-hoc rationalization of successful rebels after they took the throne by force. The idea is that if I was able to take over the throne by force, by definition the previous monarch didn't have the favor of Heaven (i.e. we'd say God), and the fact that I took it means Heaven likes me somehow, so it's alright if I rule now. QED.

So was Moldbug advocating for armed rebellion à la Zhū Yuánzhāng? Not quite. Well, nobody knows. I don't think he himself knew (he's welcome to comment here to clarify now that he's retired. We miss you M). And let's face it, nobody knows what to do. The Bioleninist left rules the United States, which rules the Western world, and they're hellbent in destroying any slight hint of opposition. They're winning, and all we can do is root, anonymously, for enemy countries such as Syria, Russia or China in the vague hope that at least some balance in international affairs will stop, or even just stall the Cathedral from destroying the native cultures of Europe and North America for good.

Now even crypto-homo influencers like Paul Joseph Watson or thousand-cock-stare wacko Jewish broads like Laura Loomer are blacklisted from all social media. Other, more consistent right-wingers who were vain enough to go public with their real names are being physically banned from many countries or being denied the ability to open bank accounts (!). Meanwhile President of the United States, Donald J. Trump, does nothing but screech on Twitter about how Surprised he is, and that he's Monitoring the Situation. Thanks Don.

So yeah, Moldbug had a point. Do nothing, until you're ready to go all in. We're not ready to go all-in, not even close to that point. So just do your thing, take care of your family, have a bunch of kids, and make sure they're not groomed into the Bioleninist sewers. And make money. A lot of money.

That said, there's one thing I wanna do, which is to continue blogging. One thing that I miss reading around is policy ideas. Yes, the Left is still moving further Left, we have less power than we ever have, it is absolutely impossible that any idea that we may have would ever be implemented in our present political structure. Our ideas tend to be, as an elder of neoreaction put it, coup-complete problems, problems which are completely untractable in our modern political structures and would require Fnargl to materialize in this world to be implemented. Be that as it may, it is still important to put some ideas out there, if just in order to exercise our brains and refresh our eyes seeing how a more intelligent way of governing would work. And who knows, maybe Xi Jinping or Putin senpai actually notices me some day.

So I was thinking of taxes. That modern Western tax codes are a big, a huge pile of ultra-condensed evil is beyond question. They're outrageously long, convoluted, designed so that normal people are scammed routinely every year, and rich people get undue advantages thanks to the aid of an army of tax accountants and their nefarious tactics. The very existence of an occupation such as "tax accountants" is of course an artificial result of how complicated the tax code is, and that very complexity is very likely done on purpose in order to ensure that evil guild of tax accountants still have a job. I, with Andrew Yang, am an ardent supporter of automation, and thus I can't wait to the day where the tax code is simplified, automated, and all those tax lawyer bugmen are out of a job, and have to do something actually useful for a living. Or they can also just live off UBI, because UBI is Great and Merciful, and protects even poor boring bugmen such as them.

Speaking of Andrew Yang, peace be on his name, I should have elaborated a bit more on my enthusiasm for UBI and other ideas of his when I wrote about him a few weeks ago. It is a fact that in pure economic terms, human labor is just not worth as much as it used to be up to the 1970s. Real wages have dropped all over the developed world, and the income share of labor has plummeted. Whether that is due to automation, or to competition from China, or due to women entering the labor force, that can be debated, but it doesn't really matter. Labor is losing out, that is a fact. A sad fact. But whatever Tucker Carlson and his fellow nostalgics say, you can't just go full Luddite. You might do that, but Napoleon won't, and eventually Napoleon always conquers beautiful Venice. So I say we try to think how one could use the current economic circumstances to promote a better way of governing the economy.

Well, if labor is losing value across the economy, the least modern governments could do, is to stop taxing labor. Not only are income taxes the main source of tax revenue in all of the developed world, payroll taxes are also a crushing burden, and an increasing one due to low birthrates. Well, stop that crap. No payroll taxes. Stop all that crap of deducting social security and healthcare from wages, with some part masked as "employer burden", which only makes the paperwork of hiring people all the more burdensome. Make all old-age pensions and healthcare costs go to the general budget, and streamline the hiring and firing process to make it transparent how much money every employee actually makes and how much he costs his employer.

Speaking of income tax, punishing people for making money really isn't the best way of incentivizing work, is it. And don't get me started with tax filing and all that paperwork. It's medieval. Now, you may say that the government has to take money from somewhere, and today people earn their income in form of cash, so that's what you tax. And sure, that was the case when the whole thing started about 100 years ago. But look at today. Most countries haven't balanced their budgets in decades. Japan is a famous example, with about half of public expenditures being financed with public debt. The US federal debt issuance is also out of the charts. And yet there is no inflation. 

Why not? Because governments today are more advanced than they were in the 1930s. They can now not only print money, but target it into where they want it to go. Governments today print money, and make sure that the excess money supply goes to the stock market or real estate to prop up asset prices and make rich people richer, and thus happier. Modern Monetary Theory is on the news lately, and that reflects the growing consensus among economists that governments don't need to collect taxes to finance themselves. They can just print money and use their coercive powers to make sure it flows where they want it to.

Why collect taxes then? Not to collect money. But just as yet another mechanism to control the economy and the population. Tax collection is a way of removing money from the particular places or people where you want it removed. You could, today, theoretically just not collect taxes at all and just run the government by printing money. But why would you relinquish the power to tax people at will? Besides, tax revenue is a useful economic indicator.

If we're lucky, the likes of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortés and her brown dancing milkers will serve to bring to the public the idea that taxing is about power, and not about the economy. And if it is so, taxing becomes a matter of government discretion. After decades of somewhat disingenuous "technocratic" government, modern politicians are increasingly moralizing their agendas and running government in order to advance their ideas of morality. I approve of that mindset. Confucius would be proud. It indeed follows the same principles; Confucianism and its reboot as Neoconfucianism represented the victory of the bureaucrat civilians (one might call them the priestly class) over the military establishment. That's a process that we are seeing in the West only recently, but powered further by women joining in the process, and women of course can only be priests, never warriors. So moralizing it is. I say we join in, at least tentatively. 

So what would a reactionary tax policy look like? Let me propose a few ideas. First, as I mentioned above, don't tax labor. You want people to work. Use tax policy to discourage the worst parts of human nature, not the best ones. What I called before "social failures" in lieu of the "market failures" the economists talk about. Could just as well call them "psychological failures". Just the parts of human behavior that evolution hasn't had the time to fix after the Neolithic Revolution, and especially the problems which have arisen in modernity due to motorized transport and electronic communications.

You shouldn't tax labor but you could very well tax corporate power. A lot of people seek promotions and positions in corporate management not because of the money, but because they're sadists who get a kick out of lording people around. Others stumble upon positions of management against their actual disposition due to common problems such as the Peter Principle. You could modulate that with a Management Tax. You want to brag about being an executive? Then pay. I'm sure most people would pay gladly. At the very least a tax on corporate board seats could change the presently pervasive revolving door of "retired" politicians given discrete payment for previously rendered services. Might as well call it the Committee Tax. Only the owner doesn't pay.

Given that our future government (and all future governments) is going to be a Moral Government, it is imperative that we bring our modern knowledge of the failures of human nature into our new governance structure. Since the dawn of humanity, people have known that humans have such a thing as vices. Christians frame it as the seven "cardinal sins", pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth. That's not bad, but individual differences are quite huge here, and it's hard to set a standard definition of where the line is between a glutton and some guy who likes to eat. And things like pride or envy are a mental state, not a behavior, so it can hardly be dealt with.

A more scientific way of putting this is to address the problem of addiction. I said before that neoreaction is reaction with better knowledge of history and some modern cognitive science. We know now that there are some substances or behaviors which for some reason or another hack our brain chemistry and make them hard to stop. A good example is the classic male vices: gambling, whoring and drinking (i.e. drugs more generally). Men do these things, some more, some less, I guess over a Gaussian distribution. But we do it, and will always do. It feels good. Some puritanical cultures (mostly Abrahamic) have banned some or all of these behaviors, driving them underground, but hardly extinguishing them. Other more enterprising cultures (e.g. the Chinese) historically decided to run them as public enterprises and tax them heavily. Men are gonna whore and gamble anyway, might as well regulate it and make them fill the public coffers with it. Alcohol and tobacco are taxed heavily today for exactly the same reason, and everybody understands it's a good thing. Do the same for cannabis now that it's being legalized. Although I'm a fan of Andrew Yang and others' idea of granting a monopoly of pot trading to black people; might as well fund their welfare that way. Fellow fans of Brave New World may also get the hint.

To that we might also add videogames today. Videogames are a huge deal, millions upon millions of people spend untold thousands of hours on them. Videogames are by now the most important entertainment industry. It's time the state give it the status it deserves. How? By taxing the hell out of them. You wanna waste your youth on Fortnite? Your call. But it can't be free. It stands to reason that online subscription services like Xbox Live are taxed at a 100-200% rate. Note also that internet gaming in China requires logging in with one's real ID card so that minors are legally restricted from playing up to a certain age, and have time limits for teenagers. I think it's a great idea. No SWATing in China either.

History has given plenty of attention to male vices, but it is only fair that we also put some spotlight to female vices, of which there is also no shortage. Women's vices perhaps have never been addressed because women didn't have financial independence until 60 years ago, but now they do, so let us make them pay. Women have their own vices of superstition (e.g. astrology and divination), attention-whoring (e.g. constant revealing selfies on social media), and celebrity-chasing (we've all seen teenage girls going literally insane over some midget singer with makeup). I saw we tax the shit out of all those industries; and preferably nationalize them and run them effectively as a government department. Again China is innovating here, with their tight censorship of social media and recently enforced ideological control over celebrities.

To this, add a universal consumption tax, which is easy to enforce, especially now with the coming cashless society, and which you can tweak to charge higher for pointless luxury goods. Tax the stuff the rich like at, say, 50%. Tax cooked food, but not raw ingredients. But do charge salads. Fuck those. Americans really need to get over their hatred of value-added taxes. Surely they beat being taxed for making money? Don't you want all those unproductive net tax-receivers to pay something?

I'm also a big fan of wealth caps. Roosh, who's getting interesting as he transforms into a Sufi monk after his T levels started crashing down at age 40, recently put it very well, while proposing a wealth cap of $100 million: 

"Jeff Bezos, Bill Gates, George Soros, and many other billionaires will all go back to being one-hundred millionaires as long as the bulk of their business and social activity takes place in the United States. That leaves them plenty enough money for penthouses, yachts, and high-class whores, but not enough to subvert society with a globohomo agenda."

Of course a wealth cap would be tricky to enforce; none of these men have all their billions in cash; they just happen to own trillion dollar companies, and it wouldn't make sense to punish a person as his company gains in value. Now of course we can all argue about how modern states have engaged in artificial asset inflation in the stock market, about how valuable these companies really are. But surely some companies out there really are valuable and efficient, and taking stock from their founders because they've reached a wealth cap doesn't sound like a good idea. Any commenters with good ideas are welcome to share them here.

On a different note; for all the panic about global warming, which we all know is an evil plot by government and associated entities to have an eternal excuse to control more of the economy and have an excuse to request bigger budgets; isn't the modern logistics industry to blame for some of that? We talk of globalization as this amazing human feat. Which it is; but isn't it wasteful that every little piece of machinery requires world-length supply chains, moving a myriad little components from a dozen countries until its final assembly? Actually there's a good way of fixing that problem. Tariffs. The WTO was set up with the ultimate goal of having zero tariffs across the world. Make that a 10% universal tariff. Try to encourage supply chains to be country-sized, or at least trade-block sized. That would get some much needed revenue for UBI too.

In my last post on Debt, I argued that the world's financial system is obviously in the verge of collapse due to the egregious amount of debt being issued in all countries in the past 10 years. Something's gotta give, and it's increasingly obvious that the financial system we have is absurd, with its automated algorithmic trading depending on milisecond speed advantages by bribing NYT officials to put their servers 10 feet closer to the NYSE, cultish scams like Herbalife, or the constant IPOs by unprofitable Silicon Valley gypsy-economy e-gig companies, which are basically just doing regulatory arbitrage by virtue of being Woke. Of course stock exchanges are a big part of the great story of the success of capitalism, but a few well placed taxes and restrictions should be put to rein in that huge, evil mess.

A big problem, well, the biggest problem of modern societies is the IQ-shredding problem. Intelligent people have the fewer children, and the decline in human capital we've been having for the past 150 years is bad enough. There's been lots of talk all over the world about how to encourage birth rates through tax policy. While many argue for sheer cash payments per child (a Japanese TV show was just advocating for $100k per child, no questions asked), it shows that governments are actually HBD-aware at some level and do not want the sheer increase in trashy population that immediate cash payments would ensure. The people who you want having the children are those who *don't* need the money. I still think a child-less tax is a good idea. No kids after 25, you get taxed. Less than 2 kids after 30, you get taxed. Less than 3 kids after 35, you-get-taxed. I'd say a TFR of 2.5-3 should be the aim of public policy, no more, no less. Child-less taxes shouldn't be crushing, just annoying. You want to nudge people, but the freaks who just hate family life should be allowed to weed themselves out of the gene pool.

We know what we don't like about modern society. We (now, finally) know why we got here and how it happened. But what do we stand for? What do we want? Let's think about that. We have nothing better to do anyway.

Yul Bornhold

Quoting my own comment on Evolutionistx's site: "Reduce the population. Hold onto a few cities for the elites. Return the rest of the population to techno-agrarianism or the hunter-gathering life. Life is better when it’s more personal and decisions have meaningful consequences. Remember all the prisoners eagerly running back to the Comanche life of savagery. The elites could enforce peace between the tribes and provide limited technological assistance such as medicine. Am not being euphemistic about reducing population, so it would take some time, as I’m not very enthusiastic about mass murder. Pay those who are less fit to have one or no children, and keep them busy building pyramids for a few decades. Creating impressive stone architecture through poverty-labor needs to become a status symbol for the elites. Offer the Somalis, Bangladeshis, etc. a choice between sterilization and confinement to an ethno-ghetto or leaving the country. Perhaps even give them a small pension if they leave. Cheaper than hospitals and schools. Start deporting Central Americans to Afghanistan. Forcing their tens of millions to leave would be too difficult. Incentivizing would work better." This sort of solution is only desirable if effected in the restoration, not by the priestly globohomo lunatics genociding their red state enemies. Humans are no more evolved for living socially in large scale cities than they are evolved for developing sexually amidst an abundance of pornography. (Maybe Orientals are. Not my expertise.) The anonymous mass society is the original breeding ground of the leftist sociopath. We'd be much happier living as aristocrats with machines performing the agricultural labor.

Portuguese Commie

Tie retirement pensions to the contributions of the children. If by the time you get old you have several children working, then you live like a king. If your only child is still studying Gender Studies, you get a much smaller pension.

Spandrell
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Portuguese Commie

Approved.

E. Harding

Spandrell your blog doesn't allow me to leave comments, probably because of me posting links? Can you fix this? Anyway, I find your thinking on consumption taxes and childlessness taxes good, your thinking on labor taxes bad, and your thinking on seigniorage and local supply chains wholly off base.

Kenny

Former tax lawyer here. Tax lawyers are pretty smart cookies. I'd force them to learn to code, and get them to automate the tax system for you. Then watch their after-hours activities...that will tell you where the back doors are.

Spandrell
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E. Harding

Commenters go on the wait list until they have previously approved comments. It'll be slow only these few days. Please elaborate a bit on your disagreements.

Dave Narby

I have been thinking for some decades now on political economy, and how to organize it to maximize protection of property and rights. At this point, I am of the opinion that it comes down to incentives. If incentives aren't in line with basic human nature, government always devolves into tyranny. Government needs to be determined by productive people with a stake in the future. Taxation needs to be simplified and organized to prevent concentration of scarce vital resources in a few hands, and instead maximize the ownership of those resources in as many hands as possible. Here's an overview: Suffrage: Suffrage needs to be drastically limited. No nation or empire has survived without drastically limiting suffrage. Only those who earn & contribute, and have a stake in the future, should get to vote. If you work for gov't, you contract for gov't, your business gets >51% of it's money from gov't: You don't get to vote. If you get welfare, you don't get a vote. If you pay back what was paid to you, you get your vote back. No voting for immigrants, or the children of immigrants, for three generations (minimum). One final restriction: If you are not a parent with a living child, you don't get a vote; as you have no stake in the future. Other restrictions should be placed on gov't employees, such as no-dual citizenship for legislators, justices, and department heads/upper management, and no emigration for said (you don't get to betray the country and flee, if you are making decisions which affect future generations, you must remain). Taxation: All internal taxes should be eliminated except for a land tax (structures are improvements and are not taxed). Land tax should be applied progressively, with a high minimum threshold (say $500k), and becomes punitive at high levels (say 90% @ >$20M). All land must be held by a natural living person (no trusts or corporations to evade taxes). This eliminates rent-seekers by limiting the control of the only truly scarce resource. Import tariffs are OK and likely desirable (as the wealth of a nation isn't it's hoards of exchange medium, but the productive capacity of its people), except on commodities. Taxes on commodities except for food, should be minimal. Finished goods should likely be heavily tariffed. I look forward to analysis of how this might be gamed to circumvent it's intent.

Steve Johnson

I think you're aiming an inherently leftist weapon here. Taxes work for them because they are priests trying to knock down merchants in status. Merchants get status for being rich and showing it. Priests then subvert shows of wealth by giving money to their pets to jam the signal by consuming high status goods forcing the merchants to move to signalling holiness for status - where they lose to priests. Ultimately we care about *status* and not money. The sovereign will always be rich beyond imagining as long as it allows trade (USG will at least). What we should be designing is a status hierarchy that allows the right men to be high status and the key to that is violence - which men are allowed to commit violence with the indifference of society and which get the full fury of the law and society.

Behind Enemy Lines

The missing piece of the analytical puzzle, and the thing we should be doing next, is to prepare some complementary strategic plans aimed at gaining and consolidating political power in a sufficiently independent jurisdiction. Having a plan and then beginning to execute it will give meaning, direction, focus and urgency to all of our other work (eg policy thinking). Of course, the more successful we eventually become, the easier it'll be to implement coup-complete policies. (I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of planning is already going on behind the scenes.)

iAmHereToo(ofcourse)

Moldbug was asked that. What did he say? Become worthy. Impressed that I am not the sole one to remember that bit. Well, nobody knows. I don’t think he himself knew (he’s welcome to comment here to clarify now that he’s retired. We miss you M). He did outline pretty well all that, actually. Also, once the "group" has become worthy, the rest follows. or even just stall the Cathedral from destroying the native cultures of Europe and North America for good. The Cathedral is most slyly taking advantage of the collapse of Western civilization. Surely, it lends its robust hand to the process, but the process has neither its origin nor its main propellent in the Cathedral's hand. It has it in the loss of every religion — or the adoption of nihilism as religion, by a different wording. "We need a new religion for the West," they once wrote at a blog.

iAmHereToo(ofcourse)

Fnargl has a Twitter account. Did he register it from another world? I think it is here on earth...

iAmHereToo(ofcourse)

They can just print money and use their coercive powers to make sure it flows where they want it to. Why collect taxes then? Not to collect money. But just as yet another mechanism to control the economy and the population. Tax collection is a way of removing money from the particular places or people where you want it removed. That's true if your currency is kept out of exchanges // you can have other countries pretend it's not losing value by tacit promise of using force (of various nature) if they stopped pretending. In sum it's from 2 to 4 countries in the world that are in such a position. Within the EU it's not like that at all, and they truly need a tax increase to afford every new expense on another front.

Spandrell
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Steve Johnson

Warriors took taxes too.

TheDividualist

>I’ve also been meeting some readers in person over the last few years, and they all agree that the “analysis phase” of this little movement we’ve come to call neoreaction is done. I don't, although we didn't meet in person. For example the idea that priests need to be ruled by warriors is new. Some things we didn't even begin. Such as the idea that the most Darwinian thing in history is warfare, and there is a serious possibility that Poz, at least to a certain level, is fitness-maximizing for war. I mean, it is said Napoleon's success was at least partially based on general conscription, which was enabled by the Revolution. More reactionary states tended to be defeated in war by more pozzed ones. While the current level of Poz clearly does not do this with all the transgender soldiers, we do not want simply less Poz, as we are aware that moderate Poz necessarily spirals towards radical Poz, so with want a stable reactionary state and it is not at all clear so far if it can survive wars against moderately pozzed democratic states? This things are not decided yet at all. This is not the end of the analysis phase. This is not even the beginning of the end of the analysis phase. But perhaps this is the end of the beginning of the analysis phase.

TheDividualist

One import argument for many kinds of taxes is that it reduces the incentive of cheating on any particular one of them. I am absolutely for 50% VAT on luxury goods but that is a huge incentive to get them cash under the table or a webshop registered in Tanzania. Hey, vice = addiction was my idea! :) But I didn't actually write it down, so it is just a case of great minds thinking alike. Wealth caps. Roosh doesn't understand that these wealths are not in liquid money that you can put in a piggy bank, but corporate shares? Confiscating shares = nationalizing businesses = Soviet economy. Roosh thinks it is all liquid cash "for penthouses, yachts, and high-class whores" which is an extremely dumb, leftist-level dumb way to think about the economy. Liquid cash is either used for consumption = consumption tax, or to finance NGOs and politics and newspapers and all that, so for power. Put some kind of a directed ban on that. Georgian taxes. Yes, but only above a threshold. If someone wants to exit society and live off homesteading in the backwoods don't tax that. We all might need a Plan B. Kids. Not sure if taxes. More like advertisement. Make TV shows about gifted children. Make smart people think having smart kids is high-status.

TheDividualist
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Spandrell

Yes, but there are two models. One is the modern, or absolutist, or Chinese model of the state taxing peasants and paying a standing army that depends entirely and directly on the government. I think this always makes warriors relatively low status. The other model is feudalism: assign land and wealth directly to the financing of the various functions warriors fulfill in defense and in government. Carlsbad had some good points that the absolutist, basically Roman Caesarist direction Moldbug was thinking in has some flaws. Aidan recognized the same about the centralization trap. Yes, strong nobility makes kings insecure and they keep fighting with the nobility. But centralization leads to the government noblesse de la robe, "priests" eventually overthrowing the king. The reason is precisely what you wrote about the power of personal networks. They have them. So warriors have to have them too, in their own way. The fact that absolutism worked well in China is not really instructive to Westerners. China has a way of making things that are not supposed to, work. For example when they stopped the Leninist adverse selection for loyal idiots, the Communist system was not overthrown the way it was in the Soviet Empire where smarter "reform communists" overthrew the system just to get the "old guard" out of power, as they felt confident they can also get power and money in the new system. China is better at engineering loyalty. We tend to only have personal loyalty, not to a system. So we need feudalism. We just have to stop kings trying to cut down the nobility into commoners.

TheDividualist
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Dave Narby

But this whole "movement" depends on the Moldbugian analysis of the ideal number of people with suffrage is 1. Not saying we must stick to orthodoxy, but at least be familiar with it, and it sounds like you aren't. The root idea is that divided power leads to fighting to power which has all kinds of collateral damage. This is most visible when we look at an example that is many ways good. The fall of the Soviet Empire was a good thing. But the reason it happened was that smarter, not very ideological "reformcommunists" simply wanted to kick the "old guard" out of power, and they brought the whole thing crashing down to make it so. Good thing, Communism deserved to get crashed. But the transition to the new system was painful for many. Not for the "reformcommunists" who expected that they will be able to do well in the new system and did, becoming nouveau riche and oligarchs. So that was a good thing, but illustrates the problem, competing for power can have immense amounts of collateral damage. Welfare is vote-buying. Immigration is vote-buying. Giving women the vote was vote-buying. Nearly every "progressive" change ever was one group of elites indirectly punching another group of elites. This is why the "orthodox" NRx analysis says even two people having suffrage would be one too much.

Spandrell
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TheDividualist

There's this tendency all over the place of thinking of historical trends as mere choices. Absolutism wasn't a choice by kings. Kings always want Absolutism, and the historical technological trends made it possible. There's no going back to feudalism just because we like it.

Spandrell
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TheDividualist

Warriors vs. Priests is a level of abstraction which I don't find very useful.

Ryuji Tsukazaki
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Yul Bornhold

I agree with the spirit of this post. Reducing population itself is trivial. Do nothing. It's already happening almost too quickly to handle. I'm not enthusiastic about mass murder, but I'm also not enthusiastic about legions of old people dying penniless and alone. With low immigration, the population of every good country is going to tank no matter what. The hard part is making sure it's the right people leaving their genes behind. Eugenic tax and financial incentives like you and Spandrell suggest certainly seem like the most humane and readily applicable approach. I'd also suggest a milder incentives-based approach to deurbanization. Tax things and services that can only be produced in cities. If something can be done in either the city or the country, make it cheaper to do it in the country. Make property tax correlate with density. These are just wild ideas, but you see what I'm getting at. Insane communists have tried forcibly shipping people out to the countryside before. Let's not go there. You can change society by changing incentives and it'll go relatively smoothly; change society by force through a top-down bureaucracy, and it won't. I think ludditism / intentionally limiting economic development is more feasible than Spandrell thinks. Maintain a nuclear arsenal to protect against military conquest. Use tariffs and reduced consumption to limit your exposure to economic warfare. A bigger issue I see is that it would require a great shift in thinking and a new myth and purpose for life. Christianity, Communism, imperialism, and militarism have all come and gone. The capitalist dream filled that void for a while, but in Japan, the prospect of 1% GDP growth in perpetuity, combined with the lack of any other religious or military motivation or prospects for the country, has left young people deeply, inordinately pessimistic about their future. What is there to look forward to? In what way will things ever be better than today, spiritually, economically, militarily, or otherwise? If you're to limit population and economic growth, you're forsaking the drive to either military or economic supremacy. It needs to be replaced by something. Perhaps a drive to moral superiority, or perhaps Buddhist serenity. Who knows. But if you're going to actively hamstring material growth and domination, people will need some other reason to feel the need to exist. The will to power isn't going away. This applies just as much to the plebeians as it does to the patricians.