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Demographics
Like I said DOGE is just a nerd containment zone for Elon and Vivek
TikTok is a lot more positive than Twitter IME. Feels more community-oriented too. Maybe showing your face helps. No secret Indians among the Anglophones. Or secret femcels or homosexuals trying to subvert you.
Elon hasn’t been very successful at turning X into an actual everything app has he
I guess his payments stuff got shot down
boomba
Tiktok is better because no Indians
what it is
This `log in with Urbit` SSO is very slick
Dwyane wade has a trnany son too lol
Zog is out to get the celebrities
We all know about kanyes (((handlers)))
When you get too powerful they zap one of your kids
Elon, jackie chan, lee kuan yew
lol lee kuan yew
do you think lgbt people have always lived among us, its just the they now have freedom to come out, so there are more lgbt people now
its just that they*
Definitely the lgbt thing is more extreme and anti-natalism than it was in the ancient world. For shorter time scales, I grew up without much awareness of it, so now of course, as an adult, it seems like it's more prevalent, but I might be an exception.
@hanlen doesn't your religion have feminism and egalitarianism baked in?
Predictions on how American “migrant” presence will turn out on XHS? After the niceties I expect enclaves and then race war. The great firewall is better for both sides tbh
It’s Elons/zuckerfaces chance to step in asap
No. @anon it's a military with a religion
https://x.com/slatestarcodex/status/1878998657581900056
- Well, this is genuinely a heartbreaking moment for me - FR. Few people influenced my intellectual development more than Scott; and the social scene he created. What difference does that make at this point?
Why should he have to write about Rotherham when he can't write about Detroit?
Lolwut
will getting big muscles really help my self-esteem?
girls are boring ass where I live since it's a poor shithole so that's my only option to get rid of male insecurity
did I reply well to myself
Lol apparently XHS is just 90% femcel cat ladies and 10% homosexuals? Why does Xi allow this to exist?
Imagine this demographic of any population making contact with the modal theater-kid-American, what a disaster
How reddit/10 is it in 2025 to be cheerleading for or identifying with country/race “consciousness”. Obviously unconditionally less cringe than sportsball tribalism. But in the present where everything is a failure I must confess this supposed alternative feels barely less ghey. I know this is perhaps venturing into shitlib territory but the absolute reactionary position against this seems quite hollow. Josiah and Dreamer are well-intentioned but foolish.
Gggv
I think we'll probably find that lgbt stuff is epigenetic. It's an emerging property in response to some condition - but which one?
You have to control for how much it existed already over history but was simply forced to stay hidden
You mean like extreme competition for resources among kin, or perception of that competition, so that gayness is a way to make you not kill your relatives and want to help them instead?
LGB is plausibly 'natural', but TQ+ is pomo dystopia type shit
what does Q mean
l know what it stands for
queers of course
Rofl
> what does Q mean
it means anything they would like it to mean
it means as much as people who do a "(he/they)"
it could be as little as signalling affiliation or as much as getting dress up in a dog mask so a dwarf in a budgie smuggler can walk you down Davie St
Buffalo milk is better IMO
Well A2 Cow > Buffalo (A2) > A1 Cow I guess
What about lactose-free cow milk
i drink it because i have to :shrug:
Lol if true
Women be like
I've had buffalo meat before and I think it tastes better and it's supposed to be very healthy, but I've not tried cow milk
I've not tried buffalo milk, I meant to say. I've had sheep and goat milk, but whole (ideally raw) cow milk tastes the best imo.
Ideal protein shake recipe: Raw milk, raw egg, glycine, choccy syrup, blueberry, small amount of spinach. Too expensive and time-consuming for me rn, so I just drink goyslop Muscle Milk™.
Are you guys actually driving out to farms to get raw milk?
NGL, I think the pasteurization hate is just dumb rightoid bullshit. Pretty sure I get enough random bacteria in my day to day life to not need to consume more of it
It's one step closer to claiming that you should roll around in cow shit for the health benefits
Idk. Raw Egg Nationalist reccomends it.
wow yeah cool childless anonymous internet authority figure
now milk itself, I do love, and my kids drink a gallon every 3 days
I too frequently drink it
wish we actually had the classic milkman setup of the 50s, we'd go through a liter glass bottle every day no prob
You need a higher trust society for that
But yeah, that would be great
I still live in a place where Amazon leaves packages out front.... for now
If I lived in a low trust place.... man. idk. I guess people put up with it because they have no real choice, or at least perceive themselves as having no way out
But I'd pick a shack in the boonies over a stoop in the inner city, personally
I assume you're doing well for yourself, you have kids and own a whole urbit star
Haha I got this star when they first dropped, it wasn't very expensive
Living in a city could be cool, but there's the whole basketball people issue
Yeah no doubt. Here it's less of that, more of the subcontinental persuasion
And just inconsistent law enforcement in general, among a myriad of other issues
Yeah so-called anarchotyranny is everywhere. It's just so much easier to go after whitey when he goes 10 over the speed limit than it would be to go after anyone else
Donut cities
I was downtown yesterday and the sheer number of crazy people was just mindblowing, so much worse than even a couple years ago. Deranged filthy people just yelling obscenities at the top of their lungs, crackheads smoking foul shit right out in public, and nothing at all is done
The inner city, as the inside of the city, is supposed to be the most developed, but its not because whites were replaced with a cheap underclass.
Thus the donut shape
Went into some little restaurant there which is an institution, talked to the waitress a while, she was in her 50s, been there since it used to be nice, long ago
Yeah I live in the good part of that donut, further out than here it gets cheap enough that it's jeets and rednecks, closer in and it's the gross fucked up inner city underclass people of indistinguishable race and virtue
It's all downstream from policy decisions though
e.g. here the park board is famous for somehow being independant enough from the city/police/etc that they have been able to defend and protect homeless encampments in city parks
you know, even little ones that are maybe an acre of trees and grass with a playground for the kids. full of tents
finally the city got the authority to go clean it up but that just pushes the problem elsewhere since it's just police displacing things... like breaking plaque off into the bloodstream for it to just end up clinging to your artery walls
What hosting method do you use for your urbit ship?
I bought a cheap l2 planet, but I tried to self-host with a Raspberry Pi, and I can't get it to fucking work
Not enough RAM
Shit's running on my desktop for now. I tried to get it to work on an RPi this week but had no joy
Native Planet products seem super nice, but the Tellurian starts at 500
The docs are, as usual, massively out of date. And the devs are engaging in stupid technological fetishism - let's use Nix! Let's use Bazel!
Stop being faggots and make a simple god damn Makefile that just works, please and thanks
What even is nix and bazel? I haven't heard of those.
Nix is Yet Another Response to difficult dependency management issues. It's kind of like Docker, you describe the environment you want (with various versions of things) and through the magic of symlinks and namespaces it makes your program think it lives in a fairly normal Linux environment with the exact shit it needs
And of course it spawned its own distribution and a discord full of trannies and codes-of-conduct and all that stuff
Docker
Bazel is a build system that replaces classic Make, I hear good things about it in the context of enterprise software but it feels like overkill for this
I tried using Native Planet software with my rpi, but it had docker and messed it up. Had to reinstall OS.
Yeah I just wanted a simple Docker container for it, that would suit me, since it just makes the start-on-boot situation into a non problem, no fucking with systemd, etc.
but the last guy who was building RPi docker images stopped doing so a while back
Do you think lighter container software could solve my issue?
I tell you this, though. As cool as "sign in with Urbit" is, what we're heading toward is a corporate dystopian version of that
The UK is leading the way with their ID for porn thing; it's the perfect thin edge of the wedge
Although I'm already installing the binaries in a seperate 1tb Sata ssd
On the RPi I don't know what would solve it. If you actually got it to run and it crashed from out-of-memory, then maybe consider adding swap?
Thats why Urbit is cool
I would have bought more ram, but rpis are sodder on
Soon enough we'll all be authenticated online via our ISP/bank/govt/X whatever... all this Sign On with Google stuff is the premonition there
it'll be too expensive for sites to all implement real ID verification so they'll back it on a big corporate player to ease the lift
My hope is that we're still allowed to send arbitrary packets around for a long time yet, but I think that the days of being able to send an encrypted connection into Russia or other adversarial states is coming to an end soon
As long as we can still send whatever, then Urbit can keep working
You really thin its that bad?
What would really be nice is Curtis' Butyl idea
What's that?
Hold on let me get a link
Takes a while for stuff to get really bad. Need to think long-term. You can find posts from ~2000 on Slashdot talking about Microsoft Palladium, which was their vision for DRM and secure computing - and bit by bit almost all of it has come true now
There's a mechanism that is already working on phones called Secure Attestation where your computer can prove to a website that it is running unmodified un-rooted code from the firmware and OS and browser on upward
Such a thing could be required by a website to let you view content, for example, plugging yet another hole that still allows content piracy (but also plugging a hole that lets people modify their computers and use them as they wish)
Doesn't Chrome OS work on that? Or am I mistaken?
Might be another decade until that's mandatory to use Youtube, we'll see
Probably yes. Google is a huge proponent. I've actually never used a chrome os
Yeah, American middleschools and highschools make you use one nowadays
I don't have to use one any more though, thank god
Shittiest tech device i've encountered in my life
I miss back when computers were not expected to be easy enough for people to use without having to actually engage and learn something in the process
Reading that butyl article
Curtis' return to Urbit is why I'm even here now, I drifted for years without starting my star, just didn't really feel compelled to, but I think maybe this is the fresh air the project needed
Like Steve Jobs returning to Apple
Yeah i saw that
I'm meaning to watch his Wartime Address sometime soon
The Anti-Zionist Kahanist liked that article. He's got a pfp of the Kach flag behind Evola's face. Contradictions won't necessarily kill you, but holy crap.
Try A2 Cow Milk if you're lactose intolerant. I'm not really big on raw milk & microwave before drinking anyway.
Buffalo Milk gives u vril
Spandrell - Any thoughts or predictions on this?
TikTok is the Chinese version of TikTok - it's owned by ByteDance.
Who cares? Go do some pull ups
Foreigners on douyin... cringe
Oh well
I tried A2, but no dice. Weirdly I can eat yogurt, cheese, even skim milk powder. I might not be lactose intolerant, maybe it is something else in milk that happens to not be in the lactose-free kind
They use enzymes or something to eat the lactose and produce sugar as a byproduct, so it's too sweet (except that's alright in coffee/cereal I guess, but I drink black and eat plain oats, so)
I wonder if Bytedance never realized that the reason TikTok was so popular was because there were no Indians on there. Permitting global access to the domestic version seems very strange.
Lol right
I guess India will ban douyin too? Else it would be hilarious seeing hordes of Indians harassing Chinese thots there
natpub nix is good and nixos is the only tolerable Linux distro
Hard pass. Every config I've seen of it (and I'm talking in-production stuff at saas companies) has been trash compared to much simpler and more normal alternatives
It's fixing the problem by formalizing the duct tape in a weird hipster bodged together way, powered by a community that is fractured and chaotic. great. what a sound foundation
IMO real solutions look more like unikernels - and within them, programming languages with a much richer runtime, like what we see with Erlang or Common Lisp where there's a first class repl into any running instance, hot-patchable functions, etc
As for linux distros, the best linux distro available today is the Windows Subsystem for Linux
In the Forties, French novelist George Bernanos saw the utopia imagined by Americans as “little more than some little Yankee boot-black eating his sugared peanuts — a half-Saxon, half-Jew, rat-faced prairie-dog with who-knows-what negro ancestor at the core of his itching marrow”
DeepSeek
Enjoy watching that faggot squirm
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~natpub: and how fucking sad is that
I run ~10 machines local and remote, all on nixos, I can manage them from my laptop and update the config or install stuff on one keystroke. Nothing else comes even close
how do you people manage dev environments without nix it just boggles the mind
I used bazel on a project and am not a fan. Maybe it could make sense if you have a full-time build engineer but I spent way too many hours trying to get it to do anything useful
I have probably about 500 VMs across sites right now.... plenty of ways to do what you describe. Kubernetes, Nomad, or classic config mgmt with Chef, etc.
I love the idea of declarative configuration but why does that have to come with a new language and a barely-supported Linux distro?
Sometimes ya need things vendor-supported. Sometimes ya need to be able to hire someone who already has skills with the technology you use.
As far as dev environments are concerned, Docker is king for me. Efficient rebuilds, local cache, Artifactory as a global cache across machines, lots of good things there. Container build layer caching on NFS across CI build agents and so on
For supporting developers against that stuff, Coder.com has a great open source tool that is like a Terraform lifecycle manager, so you can let users spin up TF'd infra of any kind. I've used that to e.g. run entire Linux desktops with VNC inside containers on an orchestrator, like basically an open source VDI
They get a perfect environment every time, VS Code in browser, terminal, VNC, whatever they need... and you get the certainty that you never have local config skew preventing people from working
Just listened to Shadilay and drank a little champagne. Cheers, my compatriots.
what do you mean TF'd infra? tensorflow'd infra? what does that mean?
Terraformed infrastructure
so, declared as code; could be anything from a VM to a container to records in an HR system
The Nix idea of doing a better job of managing versions of dependencies is a good idea
Thing is, conventional tools have had the ability to do that for a long time if you know how. Getting e.g. a VM image / AMI with known package and kernel versions and making it into an immutable, reusable artifact is a pretty straightforward thing to do now.
Has been for a decade, even.
The fundamental problem with the "open source community" is revealed with things like Nix though: everyone has the attitude of taking their ball and going home and doing it themselves their way, and never actually completing the vision of any of these projects.
Go rewrite the Ubuntu installer _again_, go come up with a new package manager or a new systems language, that'll be what fixes all this!
Never actually just focusing on completing the end to end usability of something
It'll happen to Nix soon enough. Some big community fracture line will form and you'll end up with some fork that steals attention, and some new efforts that start over, etc etc
https://www.theregister.com/2024/05/14/nix_forked_but_over_politics/
Birthright citizens ended. USA is now an old world country
Raw Buffalo Milk + Over-hand Pullups
Will that exec. order stick? Or does it need some kind of supreme court ratification or whatever?
Lol
are we all just NPCs living through a long game of genetics?
everything can be seen as a function of genetics, even politics
or is this just a huge, easy generalization?
It is yeah
"Explains too much"
Genetics matters less than War.
Left-wing Feminism = Rights
Right-wing Feminism = War
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Test
Ack
Spandrell, any ideas on what free intelligence will mean for Africa/India? Lower birth rates? Lower immigration? The opposite? I'm personally more of a "world clean wisher" if you catch my drift but that seems unlikely.
why do you want to lower their birth rates?
To make the world clean