Being a Conservative

Spandrell

This Tweet encapsulates perfectly the cuckservative mindset. Cucks are, by any account, more pleasant people than leftists. Usually smarter, or at least with way more common sense. I'd guess most of us have conservatives in our family. Many I guess have married one.

What makes them contemptible, though? What makes them cucks? Their cowardice. It's one thing to ignore the truth. To just not notice what's in front of you. It's another thing to be an evil liar and just spread falsehoods for your own benefit, as leftists do.

It's a yet completely different thing to be able to notice the truth, admit most of it, and just stop our brain working just when it starts to get interested. To be just that close, to be on reach of the truth, but then... crimestop engaged. That's what makes the cuck a cuck.

https://twitter.com/FukuyamaFrancis/status/898221254057934848

Don't be a cuck.

Oh, and incidentally, don't be alt-right either. Why? They are getting purged utterly from the Internet. So let this be a lesson of functional semantics. The only valuable labels are those that work.

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ricksean

Is it possible to win without being an evil liar who's just spreading falsehoods for his own benefit ?

Robert Brockman II
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ricksean

Yes. Not being an evil liar who spreads falsehoods for his own benefit is itself winning. https://youtu.be/K7uqCZCgRKU

August Hurtel

Reassuring. At least someone knows what's going on. I worry that Sessions doesn't, and will just behave as if it is the 80s. Plus the F.B.I. probably needs to be purged, unless various and sundry gov't officials start getting into trouble. Of course, that journalist's boss should have some words with him.

Issac

I think the cucks are largely irrelevant. When they run cover for the left, the right looks on with skepticism and the left doesn't care at all. The best thing the alt right can do is continue antagonizing the left and driving their over-reactive purity spiral. A nation-wide pogrom against colonial monuments would be a massive victory and it appear to be taking shape already.

Spandrell
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Issac

A massive victory. OK.

Matthew Walker
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Spandrell

You could argue that the left is heading for Year Zero regardless, and so the sooner they get there and the mask comes off, the better the demographic situation will be when the normies realize they have to fight back. But the Jews climbed obediently into the railway cars, so let's not bet on too many normies smartening up. Not that the endgame here will be anything like a carbon copy of any particular past singularity. It just seems increasingly likely that these lunatics will goad each other into doing something monstrous on a grand scale, instead of satisfying themselves with gradual Brazilification.

rcglinski

In Steve's defense, I saw video of the unite the right protesters, and I have to say "losers" seems pretty accurate. Zman did an interview recently where he proposed dissident right instead of alt right. I also think alt left is a great label. Typical Trump, really nailed it.

Spandrell
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Matthew Walker

I used to think like that; and I understand the reasoning. But then I had children so I'm not so keen on making the collapse come sooner rather than later. I'm guessing these two kind of attitudes map pretty well to one's marital status.

Spandrell
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ricksean

Not very likely. But you can wait until all the liars are ripping themselves out, and then put some order with the minimum amount of lies.

ricksean
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Robert Brockman II

It would make sense for evil lying winners to put that message in movies to make honest losers think they're winners.

Issac
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Spandrell

What else would you call the left alienating anyone remotely nationalistic from their potential base? So long as the left continues to move slowly enough along their moral trajectory, the normal average person goes along to get along. Only in moments where that trajectory is moving too quickly to keep up do they realize the game that's afoot. The pace has already increased remarkably with respect to transgender issues and the culling of even mildly race and sex realist opinions. Further acceleration on the anti-nationalist front can only drive more people into the hinterlands where they at-worst stop voting for the consensus party (DNC) or, better yet, begin to warm to more dissident politics.

Issac
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Spandrell

I'm married and have several children, but I wouldn't lump my position in with general accelerationism either. Having the left run wild when they aren't in complete control over the federal government is categorically different from the position that they should be put in control over the federal government in order to truly run amok. If they're given enough rope today, its quite possible they can hang themselves while Trump is still around to man the gallows. If they are allowed to pass under the radar until Trump leaves office, there is quite likely nothing to be done. As we saw in Charlottesville, you can expect anyone outside the Trump cadre to actively abet the revolutionary left.

Robert Brockman
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ricksean

The problematic phrase here is "evil lying winners." This phrase is not coherent. The reality that most everyone thinks it is coherent is the primary problem we have, and must be fixed first. "evil" implies the existence of some objective standard of goodness, which "evil" is opposed to. Being a "winner" involves making real progress towards becoming excellent, which is to say becoming supremely good. Thus "evil winner" is contradictory. ("evil liar" is not.) Spandrell is justified in his contempt for the cuckservatives because they lack the virtue of courage, and lacking virtue is fundamentally not good. Courage is often considered to be one of the most fundamental virtues since it is a prerequisite for most of the others.

Robert Brockman
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Robert Brockman

Put more concretely, consider the case of Joseph Stalin, arguably the most successful manipulative exploiter in history and a man of considerable intelligence and discipline. He climbed to the top of the pile of skulls that was the USSR and lived a long life. Was he a "evil lying winner"? Would you prefer to live your own life, or the life of Stalin?

Contaminated NEET
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Robert Brockman

Yes, obviously Uncle Joe was an "evil lying winner." You can redefine "winner" to mean whatever you like, and sure, by your definition, "evil winner" is contradictory. You could also define "red" to mean "blue," and "hot" to mean "slow-moving," and "cat" to mean "automobile." But nobody's going to know what you're talking about, and they'll lose interest in talking to you pretty quickly.

ricksean
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Robert Brockman

It is perfectly possible to be an "evil lying winner" when you win and lead your people to its destruction. The contempt for cuckservatives is IMHO ill advised. The cuckservatives are many things, but they are good and maintaining their power and status, at least in the short & medium term. In the long game, they're fucked, as they'll go down with the rest of the West. But in the meantime they're doing good, at least for themselves. The uncucked right may have many virtues, and certainly has a plan for long term survival, but that plan is moot if it doesn't work short/medium term. And so far that's what happened. The Trump hand has been overplayed, and the uncucked right is losing power and status fast. The cuckservatives are the existing power structure on the right, and they cannot be avoided or coerced. Trying violent revolutionary tactics simply alienated them, and now the uncucked right is fighting on two fronts. You can blame their cowardice but they're not acting irrationally, they're doing what worked for them all their life, they're conservatives after all. For me the only guy who seem to be doing a reasonable compromise is Tucker Carlson. It's way too soon to go anywhere right of him in public. The left didn't legalise gay marriage in one election, you need a 50 year plan.

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Robert Brockman
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Contaminated NEET

What definition of "winner" would you propose that is better than mine? In what sense did the Man of Steel "win"? If getting to the top of the pile of skulls is "winning", why would we want it? More generally, if "winning" doesn't mean advancing Truth, Beauty, and Virtue, why would we care about it?

Robert Brockman
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Spandrell

Blofeld: "Siamese fighting fish, fascinating creatures. Brave but on the whole stupid. Yes they're stupid. Except for the occasional one such as we have here who lets the other two fight. While he waits. Waits until the survivor is so exhausted that he cannot defend himself, and then like SPECTRE... he strikes!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Gi0VDZzjtQ (Don't miss the final irony of Blofeld feeding the winning fish to his cat.)