The Bow of the King of Chu

Spandrell

Google openly praises leftist terrorist supporters, Obama forces schools across the US to allow transexuals to choose the toilets they use. The West is fucked up. Yes, I know. The mission of this blog has been to explain in plain language why the Left exists, why it's so crazy, and why it gets even crazier over time.

Part of that mission is to find similar instances of crazy political ideas in non-Western cultures. Sir John Glubb spent some time in the Arab world, and he seemed to have the same interests, so he produced a very interesting account on political madness in the Abassid empire, which looked fairly similar to contemporary leftism. I live in East Asia, and so I write a lot about East Asian history. I may end up making some money by selling my readers a fancy book with some stories. In the meanwhile, let me share another interesting anecdote.

The most fertile era of Chinese intellectual culture coincided with what came to be called the Axial Age. In China is the era between 550 BC and 200 BC, more or less. That's the era of the Hundred Schools of thought. China was divided in many kingdoms, who each wanted a piece of each other. It was if anything more violent and chaotic that Classical Greece, which had similar dynamics; division, constant warfare, and amazing intellectual life.

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This is of course the era of Confucius, Laozi, Sunzi and all that. Some of you may have some general idea about classical Chinese thinkers, but it's also important to understand what was going on there. What kind of intellectual climate existed in that time. What happens when everyone is coming up with new ideas all the time? Think about it in contemporary terms. What happens when everybody and his grandma has his own ideas is... a whole lot of signaling spirals. See a small example. There was an old story about a king of Chu (Written wrongly as Qu in the above map, it's the big brown blob in the south).

聞楚王張繁弱之弓,載忘歸之矢,以射蛟兕於雲夢之圃,而喪其弓。左右請求之。王曰:‘止。楚人遺弓,楚人得之,又何求乎?’

A King of Chu was out in the country on a hunting trip. He had a world famous bow, and the best arrows in the realm. So he was out there hunting dragons and rhinos (real story), when he dropped his bow. Lost it. The precious bow! His retinue was looking for it like crazy, but then the King told them to stop. "Stop looking for it. A Man of Chu lost his bow. A Man of Chu will find it. No need to search for it."

To European ears this sounds like a pretty awesome king. A great loving king who cares about his subjects. He lost his precious, world famous bow. But it doesn't matter, because he lost it in his territory. One of his subjects will find it, and use it for the good of his country. King or subject, we are all men of Chu, so who cares? What a great King. The stuff of legend.

The story soon became a cause of commentary across the other kingdoms in China. Every single one of the Hundred Schools had to publish their official stand on this story. What do you think of the King of Chu and his lost bow? It's kinda like modern journalism, where everybody has to rush to publish their stance on every item of the news. Psychologists call this "common knowledge", the social phenomenon where everybody is compelled to comment on something precisely because everybody else is doing so. This creates evolutionary pressures to reduce the total amount of information in society so that everything can be common knowledge and thus become efficient gossip, the fuel of human sociability. But I digress.

A modern nationalist would say that the King of Chu was an awesome king. But what did Confucius say about it?

‘楚王仁義而未遂也。亦曰人亡弓,人得之而已,何必楚?’

'The King of Chu is a humane king, but he's still half-way. He could have said "a man lost his bow, a man will find it". Why specify "A man of Chu"?'

The King of Chu wasn't good enough in Confucius eyes because he dared put priority on his subjects, and not be equally nice to all humanity. Because Confucius, of course, was a humanitarian. A universalist. The King of Chu was a petty man who cared about his subjects, not about the entire humanity.

So basically, Confucius today would approve of Angela Merkel and Bryan Caplan. Thanks dude. No wonder he was never taken seriously by any of the dozens of kings of his time, and died a low-class civil servant. His universalism however was catnip for the nascent class of non-aristocratic bureaucrats, who developed it for centuries after his death. They loved this "we are above armies, borders, and that gruesome stuff. We care about righteousness and love, about what is right for all humanity". This in 300 BC. Do you see now why the First Emperor burnt their books and buried the scholars alive after he unified the Empire?

As a bonus, guess what the Daoists had to say about the King's bow.

老聃聞之曰:「去其『人』而可矣。」故老聃則至公矣。

"Why mention people at all?" That's right. A bow was lost. A bow was found. It doesn't need to be a man of Chu. It doesn't need to be a man at all. It can be a snake, or a frog. Or a tree. We are all part of nature, maaan. Want some more weed?

This is explicitly recorded as the Confucians being more 公, more public minded than the King, and the Daoists being more public minded than the Confucians. If this is not a virtue signaling spiral, I don't know what is. And again, this was going on 2200 years ago.

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Nikolai Vladivostok

And like today, none of the commenters really meant it, though they may have thought that they did. If the king of Chu caught a peasant using his precious bow he'd have boiled him alive.

Spandrell
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Nikolai Vladivostok

Heh. He probably just had to meet a concubine and didn't want to spend time searching for the damn bow.

Nik

The guy who actually lost the bow probably believed that his bow was only good because he was an excellent archer, and thus any bow he picked up became good as long as he was the one using it. But regardless, there was no guarantee that the bow would be found by a conscious man or animal. It might only be "found" by cockroaches who could neither recognize it nor use it. Thus, IMHO, the Daoists were the closest to the truth. And I don't think the Daoists were in a virtue signalling cycle, although they might well have been intoxicated with drugs and mysticism.

Karl

Nice to know that they also had a signalling spiral. Really interesting to know would be how they broke the signallig spiral? What was their new religion to solve the problem. Simply unification of the Empire and burying the scholars alive? That's a tall order for present day Europe.

Jefferson

Would have been nice to have a religion that prioritized his people above all the dirty neighbors...

topynate

I'm familiar with "common knowledge" as that term is used in logic, but your definition sounds non-standard in the field of psychology as well. Google doesn't turn up much. Any pointers?

Spandrell
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topynate

Consider it my personal twist on this https://dash.harvard.edu/bitstream/handle/1/14330738/The Psychology of Common Knowledge and Coordination_Thomas DeScioli Haque & Pinker.pdf?sequence=1

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Xiahou Dun

Thankfully nowdays Chinese people signal with wealth and money rather then trying to out do people morally. This moral signaling tends to be a north west European thing.

Laret Luval

Pretty weird that you say Confucius is a universalist in this case, considering his school was vehemently opposed to the Mohist 兼爱 concept (though as for Confucius himself who knows?). Likely he didn't want the king of Chu to give equal value to everybody, but rather he wanted the king of Chu to support the Zhou dynasty rather than claiming the kingdom for himself.

Spandrell
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Laret Luval

The Mohists indeed were even more universalist than Confucius. Doesn't mean Confucius wasn't. The King of Chu was never a Zhou vassal, and to the extent that the Zhou held the fiction that it was; one can pay allegiance to the King of Zhou without wishing one's bow goes to the subjects of a different lord! And the exact wording is 仁義而未遂. "Not humanitarian enough". He didn't say "The King of Chu is an evil usurper who thinks his kingdom belongs to him instead of the lawful King of Zhou".

Spandrell
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Xiahou Dun

Oh, there's plenty of 聖母病 going on these days.

Rhetocrates

Only tangential to your point, so I apologize, but I'm enough of an ass that I'm going to go do it anyway. I've been wondering why Christianity didn't succumb to holiness spiralling previous to the time when it did. There are certainly other beginnings of holiness spirals in Christendom; the Albigensians and Gnostics of all stripes, etc. The initial success of many orthodox movements in Dark Ages Europe look like holiness signalling taking off, too - stories from Ireland, Britain, Frisia, etc. make good sense in that light. However, in these cases, there's one difference. Holiness signalling for the Christ is expensive. At the very least you have to give up sex, and that doesn't get you very far. Often you have to go much further - hair shirts, seclusion, dedicating your entire life to poverty, long pilgrimages, and often even death. It's a very expensive signal. Second, it's only formally recognized by the Church after your death. This remains the case for a good long while, until the Church is well established. Sure, bishops get a lot of perks, but they don't actually get added to the list of Saints unless they're being exiled and/or threatened with death. Then, intellectual movements start to take off. This culminates in the University. Now, you can do your holiness signalling relatively safely; go get a Doctorate or a Bachelor's in Divinity and you'll probably be invited to be a Bishop somewhere. Your name will be in lights in the Scholastic movement. You might even make it as a Saint, though that still usually requires things like celibacy and really long devotional hours. Still, your holiness score can get really high without being beatified. A couple hundred years of University life (quite active in Germany and France), and you get the rumblings of the Reformation, and everyone knows the story from there. To wit, to avoid holiness spirals in your religion, demand costly signals. Demand them from the beginning, not after the ratchet has started.

Rhetocrates
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Rhetocrates

Of course there are some problems with this. The Circumcellions existed, though they seem never to have been extremely popular, and the list of their other heretical beliefs (universal communal property, free love, etc.) wouldn't be out of place at Woodstock.

Jefferson
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Rhetocrates

The printing press?

Spandrell
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Rhetocrates

Tangents are fine as long as they're interesting. Holiness spirals in a pre-modern setting are generally self-defeating. The lack of modern communication makes it hard to spread beyond a local setting, and the lack of wealth makes any dysfunctional arrangement starve in a matter of years. Christianity was extremely prone to holiness spirals; weird splinter sects abounded from the very beginning. What were the gnostic, if not edgy signalers? The Circumcellions sound like they come right out of a story of Borges. What defeats signaling spirals is of course firm institutions. The Catholic Church had entrenched interests, it had the motivation and the wealth to stop any deviation of doctrine. People's jobs were in danger. The Soviet Union post-Stalin basically shot everyone who deviated from the official orthodoxy, and for good reason. Mao was going to get purged by the Chinese Communist Party, and what did he do? Unleash the mother of all holiness spirals, destroying the party in the process, and taking absolute power in his person. Once Mao was died, the party bureaucracy rebuilt itself and made sure that a signaling spiral would never happen again. The problem with firm institutions is that, while they keep the peace, by keeping the peace too well they produce petty corruption. Eventually too much of it. Reading about the indulgencies, and the sort of debauchery that Luther protested again; the wonder is how nobody had come out to signal his opposition to the church authorities before. But of course the very authority of the Church that prevented the appearance of (or outright crushed) weirdos like the Circumcellions, also prevented complaints about institutional corruption.

Bill A

Pretty amazing that John Wycliffe avoided the gallows.

Spandrell
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Bill A

He had friends at court. He played his hand very well, one must say. As did Luther, of course.