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Spandrell

So this:

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Led to this:

https://twitter.com/ramzpaul/status/801531616816496640

While Fidel Castro, murderer of tens of thousands, communist dictator which forever ruined what was a pretty nice country dies:

Fidel Castro

And a fucking ruling prime minister has this to say:

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Yes, of course, I know, it's not the same. They have power, they get to say what they want, we are not in power and gotta be careful. But the left has always been like this. They weren't always in power. Maybe they know something about power that we don't. Just sayin'.

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Dave

Mark Steyn said that Pierre Trudeau so diminished Canada's standing in the world, from a major military and economic power to a land of socialist multicultural faggotry, that when he died in 2000, the only foreign leader to attend his funeral was Fidel Castro!

Steel T Post

Hitler is Literally™ evil, whereas Communists are fluffy kittens that are sometimes a little bit ornery, dontchaknow.

pedanticmoron
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Dave

But from a standpoint of prestige, Trudeau elevated us to new heights. We don't need a military when we have the USA on our doorstep and we (or at least our leaders) are content to let ourselves be vassals. Us being 10% poorer than we'd otherwise be isn't a big deal when current living standards for the median Canadian are among the highest in human history. But prestige makes your faction the "natural ruling party" of your nation. It gets your son with no experience or skills elected as head of government. It grants you a legacy of founding "modern" Canada. It cements the shift of a previously conservative nation into one of the most progressive nations in Earth.

Contaminated NEET

Amen. Our extremists, while sometimes overzealous or misguided, are acting from noble and understandable motives, and are only driven to commit immoderate acts by your failure to resolve their legitimate grievances. If our extremists do something you don't like, don't blame us, instead examine yourself, your flaws, and your stubborn unwillingness to give us everything we want. Your extremists, of course, demonstrate to all the world just how morally bankrupt your entire side is.

Spandrell
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Contaminated NEET

Damn right.

Jefferson

Is it possible that there's something to the idea that communists give an out? Communists read kind of like the inquisition; convert, or die (or convert and die anyway). Nazis don't give that option. There's nothing that an enemy of the volk can do to avoid the gallows. Communism reads like a religion, while Nazi fascism reads like pre-religious genocide.

Spandrell
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Jefferson

Do elaborate.

Mackus
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Spandrell

I had similar thoughts on the matter. 1) Communism gives more plausible deniability that their mass murder was either legitimate law enforcement, or wasn't purposeful murder. They executed kulaks for stuff like "hoarding" or "economic sabotage": "shops are empty because reactionaries stole it". Stuff like Holodomor could be blamed on simply bad harvest (as opposed to criminally stupid economic policy). Same for Gulags - in theory, people were supposed to serve their sentence and be allowed to go home. If most starved to death, well, its nobody's fault (but imperialist-capitalist saboteurs) that there are shortages. So, Nazis cannot claim they didn't cause deaths on purpose. 2) Communism was big into salvation of humanity. Zealously and loudly parroting party line might not have guaranteed you'll never get bullet in back of the head, but it vastly improved your chances. But for Nazis, Jewish ghetto police and similar collaborators were simply last to be liquidated. That's no good. Even dogs understand, that once your enemy lies down on his back and show you your throat in humiliating gesture of submission, you don't bite him in the throat, you only do it if he's trying to pick a fight. Commies, like wild dogs, spared those who submitted quickly enough. It was very harsh, but fairly predictable. Nazi brutality was more random. So, Nazis cannot claim they they had no choice but to "kill dangerous and unrepentant criminals who are to blame for your family starving".

Spandrell
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Mackus

Yes, indeed. Well, as I said, Leftism is just an easy excuse. https://bloodyshovel.wordpress.com/2015/03/01/leftism-is-just-an-easy-excuse/ And we need a new religion that ostensibly ignores HBD.

Pepe scribe
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Mackus

>> communists give an out? > more plausible deniability > big into salvation of humanity These are true but they seem to me consequences of the essential point, that communism embraces the religion of equalism. Therefore it may be considered (at least officially) as anti-racist; Nazism, not so much. So no matter how much blood with which it is drenched, communism is regarded by the cathedral as the embarrassing crazy uncle. They don't really care about his excesses because his heart's in the right place and he is, after all, one of the family.

Jefferson
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Pepe scribe

Right, but on the monkey brain level, we see communists as being capable of reason/persuasion, while Nazis give no out. I'm not terribly sympathetic to either group, but if we thought Mussolini instead of Hitler, Fascism wouldn't induce such an allergic reaction, it suspect. Communism killed with equal or greater efficiency, but more arbitrarily. It's "I'm not racist, I hate everyone equally," codified.

R.
Jefferson

Giving this more thought, the easiest explanation I can give is that if the Communists take over, my kids have a shot, even if I end up hanging. If the Nazis take over, my kids cannot possibly survive. I realize that under many communist regimes, my kids would starve to death with me, but at least there's a chance. If my kids turn me in as a wrecker, they get adopted by comrade Stalin while I get the firing squad. If my kids turn me in as a Jew, it's to the showers for all of us.

Spandrell
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Jefferson

There's always Israel now.

Spandrell
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R.

Lol

Jefferson
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Spandrell

Yeah, which is why I'm personally very sympathetic to the ethnats. What gives me pause/raises some flags is the vibe that some of the 1488 crowd wants to kick us out, then nuke Israel. Probably just holiness signaling, but I'm really not their enemy, and it feels weird to be viewed that way.

danielchieh
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Spandrell

4chan, the gift that never stops giving.

Spandrell
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Jefferson

Given that Israel could nuke you back, I don't think that's a likely possibility.