Truth

Spandrell

Good old Mencken said:

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Well, as I always say, there are no mysteries in life. Reality isn't strange, you just have a bad model. Not that I'm innocent of that mistake. I'm known of chanting how the truth will always prevail, even when most people obviously prefer bullshit, and have always done so. I, like Mencken, like Orwell, also used to pick my brains out about why people just didn't see what is in front of their noses. I had a habit of pointing at the truth, and it never made me any friends.

Now I know why; you just can't make friends with the truth. It's like trying to buy stuff without money. To catch people's attention you need conversational currency, i.e. you need bullshit. Controversy, nonsense, whatever gets people to talk and do things. Then you can watch them talk, and do things, judge their characters according to what they say and do, and choose your friends accordingly. Compared to that, the truth is of much more limited application. If there's a wolf, knowing there is a wolf, and that wolves are dangerous is very useful. But if there are no wolves, who the hell cares if they're dangerous? In the absence of wolves, talking of wolves is just signaling. Say you like wolves, and you come out as an animal lover. Say you hate wolves, and you come out as a creepy animal hater. Why would you hate wolves if you've never been close to one? You read they are bad for farmers? Oh who cares. Cree-py.

Let's talk HBD. HBD is even closer than wolves. We have people of all races living together in the West now. The differences are beyond obvious. We have heaps of data. Most human traits are normally distributed in a bell curve, and averages differ between any population group which has been inbreeding for long enough. That applies to races, but also to a lesser extent to social classes too.

And yet nobody cares about the data. There are two positions on HBD: nanananana-can't-hear-you denialism. It's all in the head, all you need is better education.

And then there's the Nazis: whites are supreme, the whiter the better, everyone else is scum, Asians have a smaller standard deviation, everyone else sucks, even southern whites suck too frankly speaking.

And that's all there is. Well there's a tiny minority of people who try to actually look at the data. But Nazis outnumber us 1 million to one. And denialists are of course the state religion, and have been so forever. Even Confucianism and Islam are denialist.

For good reason of course, genetic determinism is just not a useful idea. The elite wants to sell its product, which is that access to the elite depends on culture, and by the way we happen to sell that culture, and it's not cheap. Saying that access to the elite depends on innate talent uncovers the fact that the culture the elite sells is just an arbitrary barrier to entry into a privileged social club, and that elite status is not earned through effort, and just a genetic fluke.

And nobody benefits from knowing about HBD. The poor don't like to hear they are fucked up because they are born that way and their children will most likely be equally fucked up. And the talented don't like to hear that their children will likely regress to the mean and not be as talented as they are.

Nobody wins from HBD. The Nazis win from a wrong interpretation. Sure, people differ and it's genetic. We're the master race and we should rule the world. Or even just good old nationalism we're not superior, we're just special, and yes in our eyes maybe just a tiny bit better than others, so let us have our countries for ourselves at least. That doesn't quite follow from the data. You can't derive modern nations from their genepool. But the countries are out there, so nationalism gets people excited. It gets people to feel superior, which makes them happy, gets them to organize, get together, maybe burn a refugee camp, or threaten some cuck politician.

The truth doesn't get anybody moving. All it goes is get people pissed and depressed. That's why we got Nazis out there outnumbering us in 2015. Nobody likes the truth, for completely unmysterious reasons. The truth sucks. We need a lie. A good one, that gets people moving in the right direction, and with enough appeal to beat denialism. Which is not easy: denialism is not a modern progressive heresy, it's the default opinion of all human civilizations. A stable alternative is not gonna be easy. What have we got?

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John

My thought is that, the truth does have its unique appeal and offers significant benefit to a certain subsection of humanity that is ready to accept it -- pain and all. I mean we're here, aren't we? The benefit of truth is that it allows release. One can drop all the stress inducing ideology and cognitive dissonance and just live. So maybe rather than dream up the next great narrative, it might do more good to stay on the truth train, preaching to a very small choir, and just accept that the rest of humanity won't be joining us until they're good and ready, which basically amounts to what Buddhists, Taoists, and other mystical ilk have been doing for a very long time.

Handle

"And nobody benefits from knowing about HBD." Then again, when you look at who smart people marry and reproduce with, it's kinda-sorta like they really understand HBD and care about getting good genes for their kids, and that doing this really pays off for them. It's just that no one will accuse you of racism if your discriminatory preferences have a disparate impact in who you choose as a mate. You don't have to admit to anyone else - or even yourself - what's really going on, or the logic behind your choices or the aggregate sorting effect. You can hide behind socially-acceptable excuses of magical love connections and so forth. The reason you can hide is because everybody else knows they have to play the same game, and they have to preserve the same option-value of an opportunity for a little white-hypocrisy for themselves. They can only do that if they tacitly 'agree' to accept your bogus excuse if you'll accept theirs in the future. The same thing is true for where to live. "Nobody benefits from knowing about HBD." Again, they pay through the nose to select neighborhoods in a way indistinguishable from benefiting from choices informed by a knowledge of HBD. But in each of these cases, they can pretend they believe otherwise, and say they are looking for love connections, or good schools, or safe neighborhoods. They can blame the eventually obvious and stark statistical disparities on poverty or social injustice or something that is clearly not their personal fault, all while pretending (really self-deceiving) to align with the enlightened attitudes of high-status, right-thinking people. You could pose your assertion as the converse question too, "Is nobody ever harmed from not knowing about HBD?" The answer is certainly yes, in a constant stream of instances of overly nice and naively right-thinking people - mostly young - learning lessons the hard way. Most other people figure out ways to no be so mindlessly colorblind, usually resorting to socially acceptable vague language about gut feelings, but again, without ever having to admit to themselves that they are modern sinners, or to be accused by other people of committing intolerable sins.

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Scott

I think I can honestly say that this essay, and other writings by Nock, changed my life. It seems relevant here. Isaiah's Job https://mises.org/library/isaiahs-job

Spandrell
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Handle

You can get all the benefit without knowing HBD, and only knowing some equivalent liberal subterfuge. One marries smart women because they can educate better your children. And one buys a house in a good neighbor because the good schools, end of story. If you believe that, as most people do, you get all the benefits of knowing HBD without the (enormous) drawbacks.

Spandrell
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John

The Buddhist and Taoist are bullshit peddlers, who sold fantasies to rich men for a hefty fee. The truth indeed has given me release. But now what? How do I get it to my children? Just to get my own children to accept it I need to frame it in socially acceptable terms. We need a narrative if only to subsist.

Scott
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Spandrell

Interestingly enough, my son saw me reading this post and starting asking questions. For a long time I was wondering if my kids would get it. Now I have a little hope.

Scott
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Scott

My apologizes, replied to wrong post.

Spandrell
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Scott

Let us look at history, not the Bible. What happened when the Anciene Regime collapsed? Did the noble Remnant take over? No, the Jacobines took over and killed millions of people. What happened when after WW1? Did the noble Remnant take over? No, the Bolsheviks took over, destroying Russian culture forever. Preaching to an imaginary Remnant of good people who are waiting out there for good ideas is comforting but not quite accurate. The communists were all intelligent, junior elite people. Perfect examples of a Remnant. They had plenty of reasons to want change in society. But the Remnant also needs ideas to coordinate around. And the ideas that are best coordinators are never the truth, but some nice sounding bullshit.

Jack
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Handle

And in a future Progressive dystopia, Social Justice will demand "genetic equality", so you can't discriminate in gene choice; the government will decide your descendants' genes for you, based on egalitarian notions. And why would you even want to retain the RACIST liberty to choose your children's genes, huh, Comrade? Very suspicious and reactionary. What happens when Leftists discover HBD and proceed to attempt to eliminate the Human Biological Diversity via technology, genetic engineering, and coercion? Sheee-it.

Spandrell
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Jack

First you gotta get people interested in having children, which isn't working very well right now.

John
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Spandrell

I think the race realist narrative has sticking potential. For one, it is utterly obvious to everyone whose mind isn't poisoned with hate and motivated reasoning. Non-whites understand this just as well as whites, and there is mountains of evidence to back it. But it needs to be augmented with a co-narrative about the goodness and naturalness of difference and hierarchy, and the nobility and honor in accepting and fulfilling one's role in the collective, especially if that role is among the lower rungs. The virtues of non-white races need to be played up just as much as their deficiencies. The shame and inferiority needs to be taken out of lower status levels as much as it can be and replaced with dignity. The narrative of minority benefit of white presence also needs to be fully developed. People need to understand what life was (and is still) like for African blacks in all black societies. Same for other groups. People need to understand the trade that was made by joining white civilization -- they get to partake in white wealth, but at the same time have joined a hierarchy where their group's position will always be subservient. The choice should be given, accept this natural hierarchy, or exit back to black/hispanic homelands.

Spandrell
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John

You need to prove race realism, even in your cheerful, nice version. But the only proof of race realism is genetic inheritance. That's how races got to differ, by natural selection and genetic inheritance. Now try to sell genetic inheritance to any upper-middle class person. They won't buy it. Why would they? It goes agains their sense of self-worth, as virtuous strivers who achieved their status by self-denial and grit. Getting all white people to accept race realism is the first step for talking to other races. But the white people who matter have no incentive. Besides their being married to a system which harshly punishes the very thought of it. A cold understanding of genetic inheritance just isn't in the interest of any elite.

Thomas

@spandrell You have deployed a high amount of energy and time trying to explain through social utility the utter cluelessness of the quasi-totality of Westerners concerning the (very crappy) destination they're headed, and your effort is very respectable, but it ultimately fails to convince me. The reason for my skepticism about the "social dynamics" theory is that the creators of democratic elections in the West were well aware of all these issues, and designed the ballot process to be fully anonymous and indirect. Hence, in theory at least (but there is no reason, to my mind, for it not translating to practice), people can express their true opinions, without regard for taboos and ostracism. Through the election of representatives who act in their stead, they are also shielded from the direct consequences of their choices, much like executioners in Japanese prisons who can't know whose lever killed the prisoner. All of this annihilates the fear of making "unconventional" or "immoral" decisions that would exist in normal conditions, such as a business of family meeting. Everyone is alone with his own conscience. But, as I'm sure you're well aware of, the anonymity and indirect nature of ballots never translated into high results for the so-called "far right", neither for libertarians, the only two political leanings that really oppose the Welfare state and the egalitarian status quo. I have a simpler, and far more boring, explanation for our conundrum: for neurological reasons that remain as yet to be discovered, but may be linked to the absence of a small module, only ~ 1‰ humans are able to think rationally. The rest cannot, even when they fancy themselves as "scientific" or "critical" (they just parrot the consensus views of their own ingroup/counter-culture).

Thomas
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Thomas

BTW, in France it is becoming more popular every year to try to get your child diagnosed as "surdoué" (gifted). Bobo French mothers have no problem at all with heredity and innate talent, but they do have a problem with the idea of racial inequalities. And also Marine Le Pen. She really is an evil, evil bitch, though nobody really knows why.

John
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Spandrell

You could make the same "they have no incentive to change" argument about the previous era (every era really), but change did happen, because eventually, it always happens. These belief systems are more like fashions that blow in and out with the wind. Very few are true believers, they just conform for the sake of SP. The ideas don't require "proof" until after the fact where narrative comes into the fold to reinforce and stabilize the system. I do think getting all white people to accept race realism is a change that is well underway, for reasons of survival. The main thing is figuring out how to make ideas high status that the left has been drilling as low status for decades. So it comes down to cleverly mocking the left and glorifying the alt right...which we can observe in glorious process on Twitter.

Handle
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Thomas

Ha, it's true in the DC metro too. You can get rated as both "GA" (Grade Advanced) and above that "GT" (Gifted and Talented) and be put in what is, apparently, a legally approved equivalent form of the infamous 'tracking system' that used to be the norm just two generations ago. But when one looks into what it takes to get this elite credential one discovered that the bar is quite low. GA is really "above average" (say, 100-115) and GT is just "smart" (115 and above). Back when I was a kid, "Gifted" meant 2SD (130 and above). Now it is just a way to ensure that the bell curves remain segregated at the right points.

Spandrell
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Thomas

Well we're not saying very different things. You just assume people parrot the consensus. I'm telling you why they do. Not because they have faulty brains. But because their brains evolved to be sheep for a reason. And the presence of a mysterious rational module in a 0.1% doesn't make much sense. Some very few people just have strange social dynamics that allow them to think for themselves. The secret ballot was designed to stop rich people from buying votes with cash and being able to track for compliance. The whole voting thing assumed that people would bother to learn about the issues and vote for the interest. But people don't give a shit about anything at all besides their job where they must be productive enough to make money. Everything else is just play. See how people talk about sports. How many people know what they're talking about? Yeah they look like they care about which player is best and which tactics works better, but it's all bullshit. The point is to signal your team loyalty, your superior understanding and whatever. And sure, people do brag about their children being smart because of their genes. Communist politicians also take their children to private school. People can hold any sort of contradictory ideas as long as it's beneficial. But that doesn't mean they would accept a chance of consensus ideas. Communist politicians won't accept that public schools suck. That would undermine their position. And nobody will accept that it's all down to the genes because that would undermine the whole edifice of the state.

Spandrell
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John

Twitter. Yeah, that'll do it.