The sociology of dysgenia

Spandrell

Via Vox Day

Although the fact is not widely known, the ratio of male-to-female undergraduates in the United States was about at parity from 1900 to 1930. Male enrollments began to increase relative to female enrollments in the 1930s and later as GIs returned from World War II. A highpoint of gender imbalance in college attendance was reached in 1947 when undergraduate men outnumbered women 2.3 to 1. But starting then and continuing until the present in an almost unbroken trend, female college enrollments have increased relative to male enrollments.

The feminism angle is funny, but I think there's something more important to it. We all know that higher education is deleterious to female fertility. Probably the most harmful factor of them all. Well in 1900 elite women were already forsaking their beauty and fecundity to play the status game by learning some inconsequential knowledge to annoy their peers with.

It follows that the Western elites' mores have been dysgenic for quite a while then. Which made me think a lot in how little we know about the real mechanism of eugenics. Genetics is hard, statistics also makes little sense most of the time. You'd think that Steve Sailer, the man who pretty much started this HBD genre, would have a firm grasp on the theory, but he had a post a while ago on Regression to the Mean, and neither himself nor his (quite smart) commenters couldn't make sense of one each other.

We know quite well that intelligence is inheritable. We also know that different races have notably different IQs, and that variance inside one race is also surprisingly low. Swedes, Spaniards and Serbs have very different societies, some great, some very fucked up, yet their average IQ is pretty much the same. If you define eugenics as good breeding in a general sense (not just intelligence), well the different populations of Europe aren't that disimilar in health or beauty.

Yet we also know that the IQs of different classes of one population are also quite different. The correlation is by no means 1, but rich and powerful people tend to be smarter than the average. What most of us amateurs think is: some races are smarter than others; some classes are smarter than others. Ergo there must be some eugenic mechanism going on with both. How races evolved is a matter for anthropologists to speculate about. But how classes evolved is much closer to us, we have history and sociology to analyse it.

But what does history tell us? In a chat with Nick Land we were talking about how the Chinese evolved their 105 IQs. The standard model is that the mandarinate selected smart people through the civil exam, rewarded them with riches and the right to polygamy. They outbred the peasants, so their children raised the average IQ of the nation. It is very similar to the standard model for Ashkenazi IQ: the higher status for smart rabbis.

But that makes no sense at all once you take into account that neither South Korea nor Japan had a mandarinate at all, yet their IQs are equal, if not superior,  to the Chinese. Korea was a tightly run slave plantation run by hereditary aristocrats. And Japan was a land of savages until the 600s, civilised fast, but shortly after devolved into civil war and hardcore military feudalism. It's hard to find more different societies than those three, yet they still produced descendants which are very much indistinguishable in their brain structure, to the extent that their migrants to America are pretty much equivalent.

We don't know how populations evolved their IQ, and we surely don't know how the elites evolved theirs anyway. There's a line of thought out there about why elites deserve their power by their superior breeding. I am guilty of it too. Hell I am guilty of saying that the very structure of a society in highly unequal classes is a positive mechanism to ensure eugenic evolution. That the vastly superior status of the elite motivates people to strive and develop merit enough to join the elite, so good genes would concentrate on the top, producing excellence.

That was a reaction to the lousy middle-brow culture of the post WW2 years. But it is also a very stupid, simplistic model. Eugenics is about breeding, and the fact ist that elites, defined as the people who own the most property in a given society, don't breed eugenically. Propertied classes have, since the dawn of history, and probably since the dawn of property itself, been subjected to social dynamics which don't necessarily favor good breeding.

For one, through the vast majority of time in history, elites have arranged their descendants marriages thinking on the accumulation of property. For obvious reasons. Capital wants to accumulate. Of course it has the problem that if capital accumulates, in the end all the property is owned by a handful of families, who marry each other generation by generation. Which is textbook inbreeding. That's what happened to many noble houses in Europe. Hardly an example of biological excellence. Many perished through simple inbreeding depression.

Elite families also engage in pointless status competition. Which leads them to things such as send their sons away to be sodomised at Eton, or  sacrifice their daughters fertility by taking them to university as seen at the head of this post. But I think there a stronger, and indeed much more powerful dynamic in elite relations that leads to dysgenics. Gender relations.

Elite marriages usually are a family affair, carefully arranged by both families. The thing is, the status of each of the spouses depends on the family they belong to. To be more precise it depends on the status of the family as perceived by the particular spouse. It might happen, and indeed happened quite often, that a wife had superior status to her husband due to her family background. But of course we here know that a successful marriage, and indeed any successful heterosexual pairing depends on the undisputed status superiority of the man.

But then again what is status? Women perceive status in a different way from men. Women are more familial, and tend to have a higher opinion of themselves than any objective appraisal. That is particularly true of elite families, who raise their daughters to be refined yet insufferable snobs, conditioned to think and regard everything as a status game. It follow that for the real leisurely elite, gender relations were, and are, extremely dysfunctional. Which are not conducive to high fertility. Indeed, besides Gengis Khan and the early emperors of each Chinese dynasty, all the data I've seen shows that most elites this side of Rome have never outbred the plebs.

I always thought that regression to the mean was the statistical reflection of the fact that successful men tend to take pretty but dumb wives, that elite men prefer to fuck their obedient maids than their annoying wives, and that smart women either pair up with the bartender to loosen up or become cat ladies. Real assortative mating has never existed for any long period of time, and that is because there are large societal and psychological barriers against it.

Eugenics is a great idea, and perhaps it's not as complex as I make it to be here. But the fact remains that for all we speculate, we know very, very little about it. And of course the zeitgeist is unlikely to allow proper research to be done. But we need better data.

Steve Johnson

"But then again what is status? Women perceive status in a different way from men. Women are more familial, and tend to have a higher opinion of themselves than any objective appraisal. That is particularly true of elite families, who raise their daughters to be refined yet insufferable snobs, conditioned to think and regard everything as a status game." Bonfire of the Vanities illustrated this point quite well. Sherman McCoy's wife looked down on him for his inferior pedigree - he had a "hickish" name - ("like the Hatfields and the McCoys" (paraphrase)). She acted like an insufferable bitch towards him. He took a mistress.

KK

You're probably familiar with Gregory Clark and his book Farewell to Alms. One of Clark's main theses in there is that the English middle class - merchants, landowners, etc. - outbred the lower classes starting from early middle ages and continuing at least until the industrial revolution. The correlation between fertility and income (that he uses mainly as an indicator for class) holds also within occupations in that wealthier landowners had more offspring, for example. I don't remember if he explicitly mentions IQ, but he emphasizes that over the centuries this has resulted in making 'middle-class values' (or more bluntly, 'human capital') such as conscentiousness, diligence, loyalty, reliability etc. more common among the populace as a whole due to the breeding differential and due to structural downward mobility in such a world. Since usually only the oldest son inherits the father's farm or occupation, the other sons 'trickle down' towards menial work, seafaring, military or such. I also remember him pointing out the obvious genetic component in this all. Keep that going a few centuries and you'll end up with a nation of shopkeepers. The point I'm trying to make is that focusing only on elites misses too much of the picture. You can get significant heritable results by just giving a slight but consistent advantage to those who are above average but not yet total outliers.

Spandrell
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KK

Yes, and that's the other problematic theory. Clark's theory is mostly about England, yet the English masses aren't any smarter nor diligent than the French, the Finns, the Hungarians, or the Russians, who have vastly different histories. Hell the Finns were doing slash and burn agriculture until a while ago.

Spandrell
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Steve Johnson

It's a common theme in literature. Many Chinese historical dramas are based on the insufferable status games played by women in polygamous households. No wonder the man is always annoyed and ends up taking a new wife. Which only makes matters worse.

lew
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Spandrell

Well what is the relevant psychometric for not fucking over a non-family business partner in a first time deal? Obviously there's another non-IQ psychometric we're missing.

RS

> The point I’m trying to make is that focusing only on elites misses too much of the picture. You can get significant heritable results by just giving a slight but consistent advantage to those who are above average but not yet total outliers. Yup. Also, Japan wasn't necessarily all that different for lacking a civil service exam. The smart, the wise, the creative, the brave, the highly-born (and mezzo-highly-born) recognize one another ; testing is not necessarily that big a deal. It /could/ make a considerable difference in practice, but I wouldn't hasten to assume so. As for elites and haute-elites sleeping with all the hot maidservants/ random chix, I'm no expert, but the balance of what I've read suggests that it was universal, the only big difference being whether it is covert or overt. Of course it's true that when/if haute-haute-elites are truly ruined by inbreeding depression, it won't really matter how many maidservants they lay. Their illegitimate offspring will perhaps be fitter than themselves, but will still not have excellent fitness: the pop is therefore not much improved.

Spandrell
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RS

"Also, Japan wasn’t necessarily all that different for lacking a civil service exam. " The thing is in China the smart, the bookish, not the enterprising, or the strong, or the handsome, were rewarded with vastly higher reproductive opportunity. That didn't happen in Japan. Not by a long shot. Japan was a feudal society with very little structure to detect and promote merit. They still turned out ok though.

Spandrell
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lew

hbdchick would tell you that it's about degrees of inbreeding. The English do stand out for the length and pervasiveness of outbreeding. I don't know though, the Japanese weren't good outbreeders and today they are vastly more civil than the English. Culture is important.

fnn
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Spandrell

It may be odd that Bruce Charlton treats that book as being akin to (pardon) Holy Writ. http://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2012/07/adaptive-evolution-increased.htmlhttp://charltonteaching.blogspot.com/2012/08/what-about-christian-socialism-does-it.html (...) "In other words, the error was that the industrial revolution led to increased economic inequality, and that therefore the solution was greater equality. In reality, the opposite was the case. The industrial revolution involved population growth and productivity growth - so per capita wealth increased, and the greatest share went to the poor. For perhaps the first time in human history, from the time of the industrial revolution, the poor had more surviving children than the rich." (...)

fnn
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fnn

Thus, the IR starts the current era of dysgenics in the West: http://charltonteaching.blogspot.co.uk/2012/06/taking-on-board-that-victorians-were.html (...) "If we assume that reaction time is a valid measure of general intelligence, in other words that RT has a linear correlation with g - then this would mean that the average Victorian Englishman had a modern IQ of greater than 115." (....)

Carl

The social policies coming from the Cathedral can be summed up in two words: incentivized irresponsibility. We don't need data to understand how to stop digging.

Candide III
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Spandrell

English masses as diligent as the Russian masses? (Historically, not at the moment) Come on, that's simply preposterous.

RS
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Carl

I beg to differ, largely. Bismarck carried out state health insurance, and while Nietzsche frowned gravely on his quasi-democratism, it would be hard to call him all that cathedralish. Yet free health care must surely be dysgenic. I don't actually want the low-born to suffer ill health, but that's not relevant to free or subsidized medicine being dysgenic: it just is dysgenic. I think reactionism's time has come, but I don't really think any foreseeable level of it will resolve in full the issue of differential fecundity by class and by Conscientiousness level. It's not just state welfare ; it's the fact that food is waaay cheap, infectious disease quelled, etc, as noted above. Honestly, unless technology should blaze some other path, it's hard to see what will avail, other than a statist one-child policy for the low-born, or something like that. I would just hope to use money rather than compulsion as much as possible. If you just want the low-born to languish, suffer, and fail to thrive, I think you would actually have to ban private charity in some quite thoroughgoing way. It has been pointed out that private charity pretty much distorts incentives just as much as state charity does.

RS
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RS

In the past private charity was rather less of a 'problem' in this sense, but under today's material and ideological conditions, it will/would be/is a much greater 'problem'.

Spandrell
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RS

Precisely. Eugenics won't come through the starvation of the poor, it will have to come from differential fertility. And we need more hard data on how HBD really works if we want to know how to set the incentives right.

Greying Wanderer

"Yet free health care must surely be dysgenic. I don’t actually want the low-born to suffer ill health, but that’s not relevant to free or subsidized medicine being dysgenic: it just is dysgenic." It depends. A fit, healthy man falls off a ladder and is *temporarily* unfit. Option 1) he lies in bed at home gets an infection and dies. Option 2) he gets fixed at hospital and is back being productive in six weeks. All singular, non-recurring medical situations are the same. One of the bodies arguing for national health insurance in the UK after WWI was the army because they had to reject so many recruits from the big cities for fixable health problems like rickets. That doesn't apply to a lot of medical ailments but it doesn't apply whether treatment is free or not. In a "Farewell to Alms" type scenario if the wealthy can afford medical treatments for very dysgenic illnesses then you get the same effect. . "Eugenics won’t come through the starvation of the poor" Switch sperm donors from medical students to special forces: IQ for the dumb, health for the smart and probably twice the likelihood of successful fertilisation as a bonus.

Greying Wanderer
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Spandrell

Conforming to a group culture (rather than to family loyalty) may be a side-effect in which case if the culture extolled politeness you'd get a very polite people but a poisoned anti-politeness culture would create the opposite - even with the same people.

Greying Wanderer
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Spandrell

"Clark’s theory is mostly about England, yet the English masses aren’t any smarter nor diligent" When? I'd say they very likely *were* from c. 1300 to the industrial revolution when things went into reverse.

Carl
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RS

Bismarck may have implemented state welfare, but it was a relatively cheap and bloodless means of buying off the intellectual forerunners of today's Cathedral. They are still heirs to the blame. Technology has clearly changed the game relative to the eugenic situation in which the human capital was built upon which today's technological society is based. Spandrell clearly believes that understanding that past situation is a key factor in developing realistic, sustainable policies that would ensure our civilization does not devolve back to grass huts. That may be true, or it might be that our situation is historically unique and we must develop our own solutions. My point is that even in the absence of a well-developed historical understanding of recent human evolution, we can at the very least take Steve Sailer's advice: "If you find yourself in a hole, the first thing to do is stop digging."

Spandrell
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Carl

Well yes stop digging is of course a good idea. But we have been digging this hole according to a quite consistent narrative, and we won´t stop digging until we have a compelling narrative to replace it. What I mean is that the science behind HBD needs to be more solid if we are to develop the replacement narrative.